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    Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 17:37
Originally posted by Zoch(Skull Crusher)

I usually never respond to posts but I could not resist here since you omit a top 10 in my book.Jean Parisot de Valette Grand Master at the Siege of Malta. If you simply look what and how he endured his rise  to the rank of Grand Master that alone would get my vote for entry into the top 100. But what he accomplished against gargantuan odds says enough.
Also you have omitted Joshua  who led the Hebrews into battle. Consisting of a group of ragamuffins he deafeated the people of the plains who had   superior technology. Iron Chariots were redndered useless as he fought a  gurella campagin from the Judean foothills securing Cannan for his people.


I'll look into de Valetter; I never got a chance to study the siege of Malta.

Joshua is #135.
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In the count of 117 pages, mortal student (me) can´t find all list, can you give me link to last version?
"Toho bohda nebude, aby Cesky kral z boje utikal"(Let it never be the case that a Bohemian king runs from a fight!] John the Blind-king of Bohemia,in battle for Crecy
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Version 8 Beta 1
Ver 7 Rank Name
2 1 Temujin (Genghis Khan)
1 2 Alexander the Great
3 3 Napoleon Bonaparte
4 4 Hannibal Barca
5 5 Timur
6 6 Khalid ibn al-Walid
7 7 Aleksandr Suvorov
8 8 Jan Žižka
9 9 Belisarius
11 10 John Churchill (Duke of Marlborough)
10 11 Subotai
12 12 Gustav II Adolf
13 13 Scipio Africanus the Older
14 14 Gaius Julius Caesar
18 15 Eugene of Savoy
17 16 Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne de Turenne
19 17 Heraclius
16 18 Sir Arthur Wellesley (Duke of Wellington)
15 19 Frederick II of Prussia
21 20 Maurice, comte de Saxe
22 21 Raimondo Montecuccoli
23 22 Philip II of Macedon
33 23 Stefan cel Mare (Stephen III)
24 24 Selim I
26 25 Gaius Marius
27 26 George Kastrioti (Skanderbeg)
30 27 Erich von Manstein
28 28 Nadir Shah
29 29 Robert Clive
32 30 Hán Xìn
34 31 Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (El Gran Capitán)
36 32 Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke
37 33 Shapur I
38 34 Chandragupta Maurya
39 35 Maurice of Nassau
25 36 Heinz Wilhelm Guderian
35 37 Robert E. Lee
31 38 Louis Nicholas Davout
40 39 Louis II de Bourbon, Prince de Condé
41 40 Tiglath-Pileser III
42 41 Thutmose III
43 42 Trần Hưng Đạo
68 43 Toyotomi Hideyoshi
46 44 Lucius Cornelius Sulla
47 45 Yue Fei
48 46 Babur
50 47 Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
51 48 Janos Hunyadi
52 49 Duke of Parma (Alessandro Farnese)
53 50 Leo III the Isaurian
54 51 Hamilcar Barca
63 52 Simeon I the Great
45 53 Winfield Scott
56 54 Nurhaci
57 55 Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck
58 56 Charles XII
59 57 Oda Nobunaga
44 58 Shivaji Bhosle
60 59 Francesco I Sforza
61 60 Stanisław Koniecpolski
62 61 Claude-Louis-Hector de Villars
64 62 Louis Joseph de Bourbon, duc de Vendôme
65 63 Georgy Zhukov
66 64 Aurelian (Lucius Domitius Aurelianus)
67 65 Epaminondas
69 66 Jan III Sobieski
70 67 Alp Arslan
73 68 Constantine I the Great
74 69 Murad IV
85 70 Baibars
76 71 'Amr ibn al-'As
81 72 Emperor Taizong of Tang (Lĭ ShìMín)
  73 Sargon of Akkad
83 74 Suleiman I
84 75 Shaka Zulu
183 76 Charles Martel
89 77 François Henri de Montmorency-Bouteville (Luxembourg)
78 78 Aleksandr Vasilevsky
91 79 Jebe
92 80 David
93 81 Lautaro (toqui)
104 82 Flavius Stilicho
94 83 André Masséna
107 84 Mahmud of Ghazni
95 85 Ulysses Simpson Grant
97 86 Carl Gustav Mannerheim
90 87 Uqba ibn Nafi
82 88 Muhammad of Ghor
55 89 Gazi Evrenos
98 90 Robert the Bruce
99 91 Mustafa Kemal
75 92 Albrecht Wallenstein
148 93 Takeda Shingen
100 94 James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
110 95 Pyotr Bagration
  96 Ranjit Singh
117 97 Samudragupta
  98 Michael the Brave
131 99 Ahmad Shah Durrani
103 100 Edmund Allenby, 1st Viscount Allenby
143 101 William the Conqueror
80 102 Erwin Rommel
160 103 Cao Cao
123 104 Henry V
79 105 Robert Guiscard
111 106 Hernán Cortés
  107 Baji Rao
106 108 Oliver Cromwell
156 109 Nathan Bedford Forrest
134 110 Sher Shah Suri
112 111 Saladin 
175 112 Gwanggaeto the Great
136 113 Yusuf ibn Tashfin
179 114 Wanyan Aguda
102 115 Nguyen Hue
77 116 Gerd von Rundstedt
151 117 William Joseph Slim
  118 Edward, the Black Prince
120 119 Giuseppe Garibaldi
109 120 Alexander Nevsky

And the top 30 list of potential additions that have not been vetted enough for inclusion or even ranking (I say that, but a few are well known, but I didn't have them on the list yet and didn't know where to insert them in the top 210+

Muqali the Jalair Mongol
Modu Shanyu (Maodun Chanyu) Xiongnu
Wei Qing China
Kül Tigin Turkic Kaganate
Su Dingfang China
Bohdan Khmelnytsky Cossack
Tuoba Gui (Daowu) China
Istämi Yabghu Göktürks
Guo Ziyi China
Christiaan de Wet Boer
Dwight D. Eisenhower United States
Zhou Yu China
Guo Kan Mongol
Abd al-Qadir Algeria
Koos de la Rey Boer
Piet Joubert Boer
Jan Smuts Boer
Ashina She'er China
Ahuitzotl Aztec
George Marshall United States
Huo Qubing China
Nur ad-Din Zengid
Lin Biao China
Josip Broz Tito Yugoslav
Vasily Chuikov Russia
Diocletian Rome
Zhuge Liang China
Ran Min China
Hou Junji China
Imam Shamil Caucasian
Yelu Abaoji (Taizu) Khitan

I think it should be this one.
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I am rather suprised at this list.
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Originally posted by ogmios666

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I am rather suprised at this list.
 
If You mean there are too many Europeans and Northern Americans I agree with You though it is not that we underestimated Asians. It's just lack of knowledge about Asian history.
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Greatest General? I think we have a proselytiser  for Islam here.

Been busy of late but I think I'll be in a position shortly to put the case against Timur being where he is on the list. Wink

Alp Arslan is also way too high, but he'll have to wait


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Originally posted by ogmios666

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I am rather suprised at this list.


i have removed your posts because they violate the CoC in cases of spamming, religious preaching and copy & paste jobs obviously. considder yourself warned
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Been busy of late but I think I'll be in a position shortly to put the case against Timur being where he is on the list. Wink



highly unlikely...
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I say old chap, what is the matter with all of you, it seems to me that you chaps are deluded by not being able to digest muslim history, I think that is why we are at dagger heads with your kind, do not warn me old boy, but you chaps should learn to be a bit more open in your approach in being able to learn about my culture, you close yourselves with the same old history books which I used to read at Public school.
I suggest you chaps open your eyes and realise there is more to life than just european GeneralsWink
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there's no bias whatsoever, if you have something to say do it according to the rules of this forum, that's all...
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Just out of curiosity, where does Chatrapati Shivaji rank?

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on spot 58, but i want to have Bajirao instead of him...
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How dull you mean we have to play by the rules, you chaps remind me of the prefects we used to lock up in the dungeonsLOL
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dude, everyone needs to follow the rules, if you don't like it you're free to leave. either accept it or get banned, end of story.
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Originally posted by ogmios666

666

I say old chap, what is the matter with all of you, it seems to me that you chaps are deluded by not being able to digest muslim history, I think that is why we are at dagger heads with your kind, do not warn me old boy, but you chaps should learn to be a bit more open in your approach in being able to learn about my culture, you close yourselves with the same old history books which I used to read at Public school.
I suggest you chaps open your eyes and realise there is more to life than just european GeneralsWink
 
Both Muhammad and Saladin are on the list of top 100 leaders in the General History section, which is where they belong because both were surpassingly successful political figures. Neither is on this list of generals because their military successes were more modest. In Muhammad's case, the scale of his military operations were smaller, and he often delegated military affairs to others. Saladin, meanwhile, was not a particularly gifted general at all - in fact, from a purely military point of view, his upstanding moral fibre was probably an impediment. He might have been able to put an end to Outremer if he had just had a little more killer instinct.
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why is napoleon so high?  
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I tend to disagree regarding Saladin, he was a very witty person and always meant well, it was just that his love for Jerusalme was so intense that he overturned the crusaders with a blink of an eye, surely one must have deadly insticts when confronting your foes?
Muhammad on the other hand was a General who was also assisted by 5000 angels at the battle of Badr when He was outnumbered, one of the powers he had was that he threw some sand onto the enemies and all of them were blinded forthright, he was a general wh when at war was invincible and yes truly modest.
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I tend to disagree regarding Saladin, he was a very witty person and always meant well, it was just that his love for Jerusalem was so intense that he overturned the crusaders with a blink of an eye, surely one must have deadly insticts when confronting your foes?
Muhammad on the other hand was a General who was also assisted by 5000 angels at the battle of Badr when He was outnumbered, one of the powers he had was that he threw some sand onto the enemies and all of them were blinded forthright, he was a general wh when at war was invincible and yes truly modest.
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On Chinese generals, they are just outnumbered any other kingdoms or countries, since they exists like longer than any of them.


Li Jing should be just around Belisarius, defeated the Eastern Gokturk with only 5000 elite cavalry.

Su Dingfang achieved the rest of the glory for his conquer of the Western Gokturk, ensured Tang hegemony in Central Asia and fulfilled the process of self-aggrandisement of the state. In fact, his victory means that Tang was the most powerful empire on earth at the time.

Guo Ziyi was an excellent general for defeating the An Lushan rebellion. He was a loyal subject to the emperor even endured quite a lot of doubts and unjus acts.

Yue Fei is just amazing with 23 greatest battles. He has not been defeated in his real life.

Since you guys included Abaoji, you should have Wanyan Aguda, an excellent leader with deadly military technique which would be borrowed by the Mongols. He used only a small number of cavalry to wipe out the Liao and Northern Song dynasty.
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